tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post4741743072422156780..comments2024-03-27T13:34:10.184+00:00Comments on NORTH DOWNS & BEYOND: Who owns the data?Steve Galehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09459545933323958452noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post-29539359655675208592013-11-30T13:25:38.558+00:002013-11-30T13:25:38.558+00:00Dylan, this (and many other) aspects of recording ...Dylan, this (and many other) aspects of recording natural history have polar opposites of opinion and takes. Maybe we should all just celebrate that!!Steve Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459545933323958452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post-53157377378456386912013-11-30T13:08:16.231+00:002013-11-30T13:08:16.231+00:00In response to Laurence's points and after som...In response to Laurence's points and after some time, to consider my position, might I be allowed to offer another angle on the subject? Yes, it is true that these cyber sites are superbly equipped to release information, at the drop of a hat - thus it is a "no brainer" if an individual is looking to get news into the public domain asap! But what about those guys who don't wish for such publicity - an example being a "blogger" who writes daily posts about the birds visiting his garden feeding station. An "Eastern Lesser Whitethroat" is visiting the fat-balls in his suburban back garden - he's got some fantastic photos which he shares with the rest of blogland - a third party then passes this onto Birdguides, et al, Immediately the news is released, it will arouse interest; there will be county listers and others who feel that they have been given the green light, because it is being reported by a major news provider. Oblivious to all this is our "blogger" who will then be subjected to a series of requests to provide access - competely unaware of the possible consequences.<br />I won't continue with this hipothesis - just say that the use of information, under these circumstances, should have some degree of responsibility. Bird News providers should ensure that the information is intended for national release before placing it in the public arena.<br />If someone decides to publish a photo of a "suppressed" bird? This might not be a deliberate attempt at gripping others off but, instead, confirming that such a bird was present (at this non-public/sensitive location) and here's a photo to prove it!<br />As for the ownership of such information - we could debate for ever, and a day, and still never arrive at a consensus decision - two sides of a very emmotive subject.Dylan Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285181139467170047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post-49828995283491620032013-11-29T20:41:10.274+00:002013-11-29T20:41:10.274+00:00It seems to me that these things always get blown ...It seems to me that these things always get blown up when someone cant resist publishing photos of birds that have been kept quiet and then understandably birders not in the loop think ,hang on a minute I didnt hear about that one ?,as I say, if circumstances demand suppression so be it but releasing late news or photos always looks like deliberate gripping-off. laurence.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150037681026689740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post-76938548719568853072013-11-29T17:59:59.781+00:002013-11-29T17:59:59.781+00:00You haven't strayed off topic at all Laurence,...You haven't strayed off topic at all Laurence, it's all linked. The Dusky Thrush in Devon is a good example of information that the masses felt as if they had a rightful access to. Steve Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09459545933323958452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8802206289996500659.post-47534683944773624282013-11-29T17:44:48.521+00:002013-11-29T17:44:48.521+00:00From my own point of view,personally, I get more b...From my own point of view,personally, I get more back from the services than the info that I give out,just because I dont find many good birds !,we give the information freely because only a specialist service can distribute it quickly enough to be of use to most birders,I dont begrudge them a living out of it,but none of the services are perfect...,yeah I think if you give the info to a news service then it becomes public property ,if you dont,or tell just a small crowd,then please keep it between them and the county recorder,the worst possible scenario is the "present for last 20 days but no sign today" chesnut,sorry if I,ve strayed off the topic.. laurence.dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18150037681026689740noreply@blogger.com